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Thank God I Am an Atheist: Thomas Jared Farmer on Gianni Vattimo’s Weak Thought

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Gianni Vattimo — the Catholic-communist-gay Italian pioneer of pensiero debole (weak thought) — died in 2023, and the intellectual biography he deserved has finally arrived, courtesy of Thomas Jared Farmer, a fellow Claremont alum who wrote the book at the University of Münster and now works at Emory Law School. Vattimo is not the household philosopher he should be in English, and this book fixes that. Farmer weaves the biography I did not know — five-year-old Vattimo under British bombs in Turin, his Calabrian accent he could not shake, his flight from a Red Brigades hit list of his own former students, his letter-writing relationship with Pope Francis, his friendship with Umberto Eco — into the four big ideas that make Vattimo essential right now. What weak thought actually is. Why metaphysical certainty always ends in violence. Why secularization is the fulfillment of Christianity, not its enemy. And why hermeneutic communism is what the anti-authoritarian imagination needs. One of the most fun conversations I have had all summer.

Highlights from the conversation

  • The Vattimo biography I did not know. Five years old under British bombs in Turin. Fleeing to Calabria with his mother and returning with a southern accent he could not shake. Daily communicant through his youth because the ritual was the only stable thing in a world falling apart. Adolescent Maoism. A radical Leninist manifesto at 38 (Il soggetto e la maschera, 1974). Then, on a hit list from his own former Red Brigades students, whose ideological certainty had turned murderous, he fled Turin. His slow return to Catholicism after being asked to review the Italian translation of René Girard’s Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World — the electrical shock that re-Christianized him. Coming out as gay in the natural-law era. A letter-writing relationship with Pope Francis. The intellectual moves make more sense once you have the life.

  • The end of metaphysics and the birth of weak thought. Farmer’s clearest expository chapter. Weber’s disenchantment, Heidegger’s end of metaphysics, Nietzsche’s death of God, Gadamer’s hermeneutics of tradition — all as one process, the collapse of the modern project of finding the really real behind everything. Radical Orthodoxy’s answer: close the curtain and pretend there is still someone back there. Vattimo’s answer: no, but the categories still function as heritage — traces of what has lived, evoking pietas. Truth is not gone. It is held loosely. Wittgenstein’s language-game as the anchor image: a game needs rules, and the rules are what make play possible. But you can play more than one game with the same deck of cards.

  • Metaphysical certainty always ends in violence. The section that made me lean forward. Vattimo watched his own students — Red Brigades radicals — kidnap and assassinate former Italian prime minister Aldo Moro in the name of a certainty they had received from him. The lesson stuck. Whether it is religious fundamentalism, scientific positivism, or orthodox Marxism, the possession of ultimate truth justifies silencing dissent, breaking off dialogue, and eventually reaching for force. Nihilism, in Vattimo’s hands, is not the disease. It is the vaccine. The Michael Anton Flight 93 logic that gave us January 6 is the more recent American version of the pathology Vattimo diagnosed in the Red Brigades.

  • Secularization as the fulfillment of Christianity. Vattimo’s most provocative claim, and the reason he loved Pope Francis. God empties Godself of majesty and becomes human (Philippians 2). The church, dispossessed of its temporal power in the nineteenth century by Italian unification and the loss of the Papal States, was forced into a kenotic analogue — stripped of principality, freed to become salt and light. The Death of God — of the absolute, moralizing, on-high metaphysics — is the final stage of the same self-emptying. God as judge and nomos of order collapses. God as friend, companion, love arrives. The parallel Farmer draws to Bonhoeffer’s line — if you want to understand God, think about the manger and the cross — closes the loop.

  • Hermeneutic communism. Vattimo’s late political project, developed with Santiago Zabala. Not the vanguard-led revolutionary Marxism Vattimo had already renounced. Not the neoliberal capitalist hegemony that took its place. But a democratic-proceduralist, non-violent, mass-resistance politics — strikes, boycotts, labor organizing, deliberative dialogue — that aligns with the marginalized and constantly torments the prevailing order without pretending to install a new absolute regime in its place. The Tolkien moment: you cannot pick up the ring of power to defeat the ring of power. It only serves one master. The revolution has to be permanent haranguing, not a takeover. Bakunin against Marx, resurfacing in the twenty-first century.

  • Natural law, and why Vattimo could never accept it. Coming of age gay in a Catholic milieu where Thomism had been elevated as the church’s default philosophy after Leo XIII, Vattimo could not accept the natural-law claim that a world given in this way could tell him what he was. That experience became the wedge — the point at which the general suspicion of metaphysical closure became personal. And Farmer’s closing move: the same wedge that the current postliberal Catholic and evangelical resurgence is trying to swing shut. Vattimo’s whole life was an argument against that closing.

Dr. Thomas Jared Farmer is a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the Center for the Study of Law and Religion at Emory University School of Law, where he works with John Witte on the intersection of philosophical hermeneutics and legal theory. He completed his MA in philosophy of religion at Claremont Graduate University (studying with Ingolf Dalferth and the late Anselm Min) and his PhD at the University of Münster in Germany under Hans-Peter Grosshans. He grew up in the International Pentecostal Holiness Church in upstate South Carolina.

His new book is Gianni Vattimo: Philosopher, Communist, Catholic, Nihilist (Columbia University Pres2)— the definitive English-language intellectual biography of Vattimo.


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